18:28:48 From Tina to Cheryl Talbert(Direct Message) : Hi there; I see that you are recording. Is there a possibility of accessing the recording after, in case we miss anything? Thanks! 18:29:16 From Cheryl Talbert to Tina(Direct Message) : Definitely - we will send the recording to everyone who is on the roster, probably tomorrow morning. 18:29:28 From Tina to Cheryl Talbert(Direct Message) : Awesome! Thank you! 18:39:19 From Denise Diskin (she/her) to Everyone : Did I miss a land acknowledgement? If we didn't do one: I'm happy to be joining this class from unceded ancestral Duwamish land, and I feel gratitude to Indigenous people for the stewardship of this land and work to honor them in my actions in the outdoors. I also like to look up the tribal nations where I go online here: https://native-land.ca/ Happy to be here with you all! 18:39:52 From Cheryl Talbert to Denise Diskin (she/her)(Direct Message) : Thank you so much Denise! 18:42:50 From Denise Diskin (she/her) to Cheryl Talbert(Direct Message) : Yep! Thanks for putting on this class! 18:43:17 From Cheryl Talbert to Denise Diskin (she/her)(Direct Message) : You're very welcome!! 18:45:44 From Salima Banu Iezzi to Everyone : what about wind speed? what is a safe wind speed ? 18:47:21 From Cheryl Talbert to Everyone : Generally you will find wind speed with near term forecasts and that's where it really matters. A few places like Patagonia will have seasonal high winds in certain months every year and in those cases it will be an important planning item. 18:48:46 From Cheryl Talbert to Everyone : Over 25 mph wind speeds can begin to impact you (for example you'll want to find a sheltered place to pitch your tent, and stay away from dead trees) 18:49:51 From Salima Banu Iezzi to Everyone : thx. 19:00:04 From Kendall to Everyone : Does "fewer drawing primitives" just mean less primitive trails depicted on the map? 19:01:28 From Cheryl Talbert to Everyone : No, 'drawing primitives' are just different shapes and line types 19:01:45 From Kendall to Everyone : Okay, thanks 19:08:44 From Denise Diskin (she/her) to Everyone : I'm a little nervous about backpacking and having to navigate versus there being a clear trail. How can we tell how clear the trail is (trail vs. boot path vs. wayfinding via ribbon or cairns vs. navigating)? 19:10:10 From Cheryl Talbert to Everyone : Most maps make a clear distinction between maintained and unmaintained trails (solid lines vs dotted lines). However even 'maintained' trails may have a lot of blowdown or washouts so you need to get trail info from trip reports or the land manager. 19:08:50 From Tammy Guenzi to Everyone : how do you plan your water usage? CHERYL I start by looking at maps and trip reports to understand how far apart that reliable water sources will be in the coming day, and combine that with the expected temperature and my own experience to decide how how much water to carry that day. 19:11:52 From Becca to Everyone : How do you tell if the water is accessible? I had water crossing over the weekend but they were not accessible from the trail 19:13:06 From Cheryl Talbert to Everyone : Yes, you have to look closely at the contour lines to get a sense for that. If there is a bridge it may be harder to drop down to get water, whereas if you're crossing the stream directly you'll be right there. 19:10:19 From Kendall to Everyone : Is there a recommending scaling of mi/day juxtaposed with elevation gain/loss? 19:14:05 From Cheryl Talbert to Everyone : Really, what combination of distance and elevation gain you want to plan for a day is entirely based on your own experience and fitness. Don't tackle much larger combinations of the two before you've had past experience close to it. 19:19:26 From Kendall to Everyone : It definitely helped, very clear, thank you, Cheryl. 19:30:19 From Denise Diskin (she/her) to Everyone : Sorry if I missed this at the beginning, but would we print this and bring with? I see a lot of thru hikers talking about wayfinding on their phones with GPS while on trail - how does reception work? Do you need a separate GPS device or is phone GPS okay? 19:32:09 From Karen A. to Everyone : This is mostly a demo of how to create a route for your trip. You can print this map, or sync the routes to Gaia on your phone. GPS works while your phone is still in airplane mode, and phone GPS works quite well these days - I’ve used it extensively and don’t feel another GPS device is necessary 19:32:17 From Kendall to Everyone : It looks like Gaia GPS has international maps as well, not just the United States? 19:32:31 From Karen A. to Everyone : That’s correct 19:33:03 From Denise Diskin (she/her) to Everyone : Thanks, Karen! I did not know GPS works in airplane mode! That's great! 19:33:40 From Melody Osborn to Everyone : My computer does not allow me to save or print GPX files. How else do you print maps 19:34:01 From Karen A. to Everyone : I usually import a GPX file into caltopo and print from there 19:34:37 From Salima Banu Iezzi to Everyone : where are the coordinates? CHERYL When you pull up a waypoint on gaia it will show the coordinates right there on the waypoint description. 19:37:35 From Karen A. to Everyone : in caltopo the coordinates are in the top right corner of the screen. in gaia you can add a waypoint and drag it, and the coordinates will be saved with that waypoint 19:44:56 From Lenna to Everyone : There is an app called Cairn that will tell you where along the trail you might have cell reception. Good for emergency planning as well. 19:50:23 From Salima Banu Iezzi to Everyone : do we have access to this recording to revisit? 19:51:52 From Karen A. to Everyone : yes, I believe Cheryl will be posting the recording in the Trip Planning class folder she mentioned in the email that had the Zoom link in it 20:00:32 From Jennifer Wang to Everyone : Cheryl, please share your package list in the following email. that's great one. 20:01:35 From Kendall to Everyone : How do you measure everything so precisely? A kitchen scale for the smaller items? 20:01:50 From Karen A. to Everyone : Cheryl has posted the excel sheet in the Trip Planning folder: https://www.mountaineers.org/locations-lodges/foothills-branch/committees/foothills-hiking-backpacking/foothills-backpacking-committee/backpacking-trip-planning-clinic-class-materials 20:02:12 From Karen A. to Everyone : Kendall, yes I use a kitchen scale for measuring things - mine has a max weight of 11 lbs 20:11:41 From Dinah Draluk to Everyone : This is so helpful! 20:21:36 From Kendall to Everyone : BACKPACKING TRIP PLANNING CLINIC CLASS MATERIALS - This is available to everyone? You don't have to be in the backpacking course? CHERYL The trip planning clinic class materials will be available to everyone who is registered for this seminar! 20:26:35 From Dinah Draluk to Everyone : Are there backpacking courses available later on like in July, or generally April every year? 20:26:44 From Melody Osborn to Everyone : Thank you, Great class. 20:27:12 From Mary Schroeder to Everyone : SO helpful, major head start and confidence builder! 20:27:26 From Karen A. to Everyone : other sources (like REI) may have courses later in the year, but most Mountaineer courses start earlier in the year so you’re ready to go once July comes aroung 20:27:30 From Tina Mari Fox to Everyone : Thank you! 20:27:34 From Liz to Everyone : Thanks! Super helpful 20:27:36 From Dinah Draluk to Everyone : Thank you kindly Karen 20:27:37 From Denise Diskin (she/her) to Everyone : Thank you!!!! 20:27:40 From Melody Osborn to Everyone : Way to go. thank you 20:27:40 From Jaclyn Casper to Everyone : Thank you! 20:27:40 From Salima Banu Iezzi to Everyone : We cannot thank you enough 20:27:43 From Randy Lee to Everyone : I knew Cheryl was a great presenter; you, Karen, did a great job, too. Thanks very much to you both. 20:27:43 From Kendall to Everyone : Really great concrete information, I learned so much! 20:27:44 From Leslie Frank to Everyone : Thank you very much! 20:27:45 From Dinah Draluk to Everyone : <3 20:27:46 From Katrina to Everyone : Thank you!!! 20:27:50 From Amanda to Everyone : thank you!! 20:27:51 From Kate Nikolaeva to Everyone : Thank you for such a wonderful session! 20:27:53 From Sarah Pacopac to Everyone : Thanks! 20:27:54 From Darryl Schuitevoerder to Everyone : Thank you!